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I am looking at other cars like the Focus and the Cruze with their 40 and 42 mpg on the highway, and then I look at the IQ. Why is the IQ not up higher in the fuel economy scale? For years it was all about the weight "if we could only have 2000lb cars, then we would have great fuel economy". Well here comes the small light cars and where is the great fuel economy? The IQ is not that bad of an aero package, but it could be hurt on the highway not being the slickest car made, I will give you that. What about around town though?
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  • Are the youth of today expected to act like their grandpas and great grandpas of the olden days that spent all of their cash on mostly useless mods for their cars. Who has the cash today (JOB?) to pay for bling-bling when gas is at $3+ a gallon and your car sucks more (fuel=cash) than it should?
  • Where is the Beef when it comes to FE? Is Toyota acting like Old GM? I thought that horse was dead.
 

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At Ford's website I see 25/35 EPA city/highway for the Focus and over at GM I see 24/36 EPA city/highway for the Cruze.

Where have you seen EPA mileage estimates for the iQ?
 

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Small engines revving high don't help highway mileage. Combine that with its (questionably) large frontal area and that doesn't help much either.

I think the iQ should really be thought of more as a "city" car than simply being some small super mpg acheiving machine.

GM has been tauting a Cruze Eco version/model that achieves 42mpg highway.
 

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Where is the iQ fuel mileage? I really doubt something that small can have bad or average gas mileage. I'm guessing it would be really high 30's maybe even low 40's.
 

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Toyota has a great opportunity to build a great fuel efficient car. When I hear that the IQ will be a "tuner" car, I am thinking that they gave in to the advertising folks and sold their souls for a few bucks. Let the posers drive another Scion model. Do something truly different and go for exceptional Fuel economy. People will thank you and buy your product.
 

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According to the UK IQ site it gets the following mileage:
Economy Emission Fuel economy (93/116/EEC) (Standard) EURO5 EURO 5
.................................................. ......................1.0 L MT ........1.33 L MT
Fuel economy combined (l/100km / mpg) 4.4 / 64.2 ___ 4.9 / 57.65
CO2 mass emission (combined) (g/km) 99 113

So that is 64.2 mpg for the 1.0 liter engine and 57.65 mpg for the 1.33 liter engine. Even if those are highway figures, although it says combined, it still puts the IQ in the mid 40's for an all type driving average.
 

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Kszabo, those are imperial mpg. In US gallons those figures would be 20% lower. Also those engine/transmission packages won't be available in North America according to the rumors. The EPA numbers may or may not represent the mileage you get, but it's still the best way to compare, so we'll have to wait till the EPA releases their figures.
 

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The actual difference of a US gallon vs an Imperial gallon is that the US gallon is .833 of an imperial gallon therefore that will yield the following IQ mileages based on a US gallon:
1.0 Liter engine Manual Transmisstion 53.47 MPG and
1.3 Liter engine Manual Transmission 48.02 MPG

Regarding you comment about the EPA figures I have found them at least 10% lower than reality.
ie. My 2002 VW Golf TDI 5 speed with 190K miles has yielded 47 MPG over the past 7 years, and it is chipped. The EPA figures for this vehicle are 38 MPG combined and 44 Highway, far less than actual mileage figures.
 

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Along with EPA numbers

"Expect the Scion iQ to have a slightly better city rating than the smart fortwo (a 33 mpg car) helped by slightly easier acceleration and lower-revving. On the highway, don't count on the Scion iQ being much higher than 41mpg, same as the smart fortwo. Let's forecast 35/42 for a combined figure of 37 mpg."

Those figures are never correct and i bet you the EPA ratting on the Cruz is no where near close to what it really is.

Buy a cruze drive it and we'll figure it out from there.
 

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I am looking at other cars like the Focus and the Cruze with their 40 and 42 mpg on the highway, and then I look at the IQ. Why is the IQ not up higher in the fuel economy scale? For years it was all about the weight "if we could only have 2000lb cars, then we would have great fuel economy". Well here comes the small light cars and where is the great fuel economy? The IQ is not that bad of an aero package, but it could be hurt on the highway not being the slickest car made, I will give you that. What about around town though?
  • Does Scion=Bastard Step Child when it comes to R&D?
  • Are the most fuel efficent powertrains out of reach for the masses that buy Scion?
  • Are the youth of today expected to act like their grandpas and great grandpas of the olden days that spent all of their cash on mostly useless mods for their cars. Who has the cash today (JOB?) to pay for bling-bling when gas is at $3+ a gallon and your car sucks more (fuel=cash) than it should?
  • Where is the Beef when it comes to FE? Is Toyota acting like Old GM? I thought that horse was dead.

I dont know where you got your ratings from the the top 10 list came out, and Toyta has the best fuel efficient car there is but is no Chevy cruze anywhere on that this list.

1. Toyota Prius, 49.6 combined MPG, $1,512
2. ]Lexus CT 200h, 41.6 combined MPG, $1,803
3. Honda Insight, 41.3 combined MPG, $1,816
4. Honda Civic Hybrid, 41.3 combined MPG, $1,816
5. Lincoln MKZ Hybrid, 38.6 combined MPG, $1,944
6. Chevrolet Volt, 37.1 combined MPG, $2,022
7. Lexus HS 250h, 34.5 combined MPG, $2,171
8. Honda CR-Z, 33.4 combined MPG, $2,243
9. Hyundai Elantra, 33.2 combined MPG, $2,266
10. Toyota Camry Hybrid, 32.7 combined MPG, $2,295

and this is from "TrueCar’s estimate on what it’ll cost to feed them $5.00 per gallon gas for the 15,000 miles per year"
I say its safe to say, that a real life test would defeat the test or words of dealer, cause all dealers are crooks.

And simply there is no beef here, as both these cars are not on the list and, Toyta's Prius # 1 on the list, so don't know what your talking about.
 

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On Edmunds.com they list the 2011 Chevy Eco Cruze at 42 mpg highway. I belive that will be far short of the IQ when it finally gets rated by EPA.
 

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On Edmunds.com they list the 2011 Chevy Eco Cruze at 42 mpg highway. I belive that will be far short of the IQ when it finally gets rated by EPA.
The Chevy Cruze is a 3100lb car and the IQ weighs in at around 2200lb. One would think that a lighter car by such a margin would be much more fuel efficient. A car such as the IQ that is marketed as a "tuner" car would not be expected to get stellar mileage, because of the compromises made for speed and handling.
 

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Weight classes of the two cars are significantly different and as are the motors as the scion has a smaller motor needing higher rev's and etc.

What may be marketed as tuner car, may not be what it actually is, just because they market it as a tuner, though in reality its a affordable small sporty car, as for calling it a tuner car i wouldn't think its falls under that category... maybe 350z might.
 

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Weight classes of the two cars are significantly different and as are the motors as the scion has a smaller motor needing higher rev's and etc.

What may be marketed as tuner car, may not be what it actually is, just because they market it as a tuner, though in reality its a affordable small sporty car, as for calling it a tuner car i wouldn't think its falls under that category... maybe 350z might.
I doubt the iQ would need "higher rev's". After all it weighs less, so the need for power isn't needed as much. When you compare power to weight. The iQ has enough power for it's weight which in the end doesn't call for higher rev's.

If you were going to put a iQ motor in a Cruze for example, higher rev's would be needed to some point.
 

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Well ideally smaller motors dont have a lot of torque @ low rpm's due to the small displacement of the car. And under theory there would be more mid range torque for a smaller motor and it would performer better at higher rpms.

as for an iq motor put into a cruze thats whole different story, you might as well put a yaris motor into the camry.

even to move its own weight low rpms arnt exaclly the most potient, that from driving expirence to a yaris which is classes as the same car.

bottom line is smaller displacement motors rev higher to achieve more torque where as lager displacement motors have better low end torque which is revving less.

or in another perspective an inline 4 vs a v8 which need to rev higher to achieve more power?
 

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Well ideally smaller motors dont have a lot of torque @ low rpm's due to the small displacement of the car. And under theory there would be more mid range torque for a smaller motor and it would performer better at higher rpms.

as for an iq motor put into a cruze thats whole different story, you might as well put a yaris motor into the camry.

even to move its own weight low rpms arnt exaclly the most potient, that from driving expirence to a yaris which is classes as the same car.

bottom line is smaller displacement motors rev higher to achieve more torque where as lager displacement motors have better low end torque which is revving less.

or in another perspective an inline 4 vs a v8 which need to rev higher to achieve more power?
The marketing dudes call the IQ a "tuner" car, how does this translate to the average joe? It doesn't, it is just marketing BS, a fantasy that they hope to make you a part of, but still not real for most. Back to the real world here. People need a car to get them from point A to point B, traffic is everywhere, stop signs are everywhere, we have speed limits and other drivers that limit our pace, this is the real world.
An engine and transmission must be designed to work together to propel the vehicle. The wrong engine with a good transmission is a poor package and vice versa. Great fuel efficiency takes work and I hope that Toyota put the work into the IQ.
 

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Marketing people may say its a tuner car, beacuse you can tune the car how you like in terms of styling choice. I spoke to a dude at NAIAS, and he said you buy a scion but you can change it however you like to your liking, making it a cost efficent fun car. the motor isnt changed in any aspect, the extrior, they just offer a lot of options for a factory car. ie areo kits, sounds, and rims and etc.The overall perforamce of the motor never changed, it jsut to add an personal flare to your car, if and that what i think the marketing dudes call what "tuner" is its giving your car your touch, so would this be consider as a "tuner" car in your books?

this car does get you from point A to point B, and the engine is transmission to work together to propel the vehicle, i don't get what your trying to get at, your saying just because it marketed as tuner car it has poor fuel efficiency and is expected to receive poor efficiency?

On another note this car is design in a real world, and it is made to the real world liking? whats not real about this car? Its not 1000 hp monster , its small ecno box, with personalty style and flare to your liking with the "tuner" mods.

So what are you trying to get at? its not a real car? its a tuner car? and the car doesn't move well?

If those were the case Toyota wouldn't be selling this car and releasing it into the market.
 

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Marketing people may say its a tuner car, beacuse you can tune the car how you like in terms of styling choice. I spoke to a dude at NAIAS, and he said you buy a scion but you can change it however you like to your liking, making it a cost efficent fun car. the motor isnt changed in any aspect, the extrior, they just offer a lot of options for a factory car. ie areo kits, sounds, and rims and etc.The overall perforamce of the motor never changed, it jsut to add an personal flare to your car, if and that what i think the marketing dudes call what "tuner" is its giving your car your touch, so would this be consider as a "tuner" car in your books?

this car does get you from point A to point B, and the engine is transmission to work together to propel the vehicle, i don't get what your trying to get at, your saying just because it marketed as tuner car it has poor fuel efficiency and is expected to receive poor efficiency?

On another note this car is design in a real world, and it is made to the real world liking? whats not real about this car? Its not 1000 hp monster , its small ecno box, with personalty style and flare to your liking with the "tuner" mods.

So what are you trying to get at? its not a real car? its a tuner car? and the car doesn't move well?

If those were the case Toyota wouldn't be selling this car and releasing it into the market.
So Toyota is offering a car that you can get options on? That is the big deal? Heck, my Gramps could get options on his cars back in the day, why the big deal now?
Does the aero package lower the drag of the car or is it just for looks?
 

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cars have more and more options than you "gramps" has heck a pop open sun roof and AC were his options for cars. As for today if you want to raise your drag coefficient by adding an aero kit sure, but hey TRD wont release something that going to lower the drag co efficient by a lot.

Also keep in mind the Factor Options, are Designed by 5Axsis, TRD and Seibon, in a Collaboration with Toyota, so You could consider these modifications OEM and up to spec not some pep boy add-ons.

To be honest i don't even know what your trying to prove, or preach about crappy MPG ratting anymore.. it was about an MPR rating compared to a cruze... if you want a car with HIGH MPG go buy a leaf or a Prius.
 

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cars have more and more options than you "gramps" has heck a pop open sun roof and AC were his options for cars. As for today if you want to raise your drag coefficient by adding an aero kit sure, but hey TRD wont release something that going to lower the drag co efficient by a lot.

Also keep in mind the Factor Options, are Designed by 5Axsis, TRD and Seibon, in a Collaboration with Toyota, so You could consider these modifications OEM and up to spec not some pep boy add-ons.

To be honest i don't even know what your trying to prove, or preach about crappy MPG ratting anymore.. it was about an MPR rating compared to a cruze... if you want a car with HIGH MPG go buy a leaf or a Prius.
Gramps could get a radio in his car if he wanted. Wheel and tire combos were popular in the day. Chrome packages were really hip along with seat covers. There were other cool options available to buyers of that time.
The options available on the soon to be released IQ are numerous, but certainly not reason enough to buy a certain car, or to manufacture a car for that reason. So what do we get from the IQ besides a small package and a few farkles? This ride isn't selling for $9999 and gas is fixing to top $4 a gallon in the US. Where is the official EPA rating for this car?
 
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